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Read this thread for flashing Radeon 7000 - 9100 cards and this thread for cards such as the 9800 Pro.

Series 2: Radeon cards such as the Radeon 9200 AGP.

Characteristics of these cards: They are AGP 2X/4X and 8X cards, (they usually use the universal AGP design). Because they are AGP 8X compatible card, with some computer/card combinations, taping AGP connectors is required. They don't have the limitation of a maximum of 64K of ROM data.

Note: make sure you do the research on whether a card is flashable to the Mac before buying it. Use the instructions at your own risk.

Look at the different flashing methods below to find one that's suitable for you before following the steps.


Flashing on Mac OS 9 (blindly) (if you have a either Cube or you have an AGP tower Mac but don't have a Mac PCI video card, and have no other computer):


1. Go to the page of
ATIccelerator I and download the latest version.

2. Find a reduced ROM file for your card that has been enlarged to 128K. (You can also try a full Mac ROM file for your card. The full v121 for the Radeon 9200 is available in here. Many more full Mac ROM files are available in the ATI October 2004 ROM update.

3. On OS X, mount the ATIccelerator I disk image, copy the ATI Multi Dumper and ATI Multi Flasher (with confirmation) from the ATIcclerator package and put them into a folder where you can easily access to them from OS 9.

4. Run ATIccelerator, go to the Misc menu, de-select the check ROM size and then choose to install Mac ROM into the flasher. Select a reduced Mac ROM file enlarged to 128K (or a full ROM file if you want to try that first) and put it into the ATI Multi Flasher (with confirmation) that was copied from the ATIccelerator package.

5. Switch the Mac to OS 9, put the ATI Multi Dumper into the "Startup Items" folder. Shutdown the Mac.

6. Open up the Mac. Take the working video card out and install the PC Radeon AGP video card. Turn on the computer. If you don't hear the Mac booting at all (no chime), shut it down, go to step 7. If you heard the chime but no disk activity and the OS does not load -- use one of the other flashing methods. If the Mac boots properly, go to step 8.

7. Take the Radeon AGP card out of the Mac, get some sticky tape, cut two small strips of sticky tape and tape connectors #3 and #11 (counting from the right on the BACK of the card with the AGP connectors pointing downward). Install the card in the Mac, turn the Mac on.

8. If your Mac is booting properly, wait for the sounds indicating OS 9 has booted completely and wait for the sound of ATI Multi Dumper launching.

9. Turn the Mac off. Put the working video card back into the Mac, start it up and look in the "Startup Items" folder and you should see that a PC Radeon ROM file and a text output file for the PC Radeon card were saved there (if your working video card is an ATI card, its ROM file and another text output file were also saved there). Take the ATI Multi Dumper, the PC Radeon ROM file, the text output file (and any file relating to your working video card) out of the "Startup Items" folder. Keep the PC Radeon ROM file in a safe place.

10. Put the ATI Multi Flasher (with confirmation), which you already put the reduced Mac ROM file, enlarged to 128K, (or the full ROM file) in with ATIccelerator), into the "Startup Items" folder. Shutdown the Mac, take the working video card out and put the PC Radeon card in. Start up the Mac and listen for the sound of the ATI Multi Flasher launching. After the flasher is launched, hold Command and press the full-stop (period) button and wait for about 10 seconds.

11. Shutdown the Mac. Connect the monitor to the flashed Radeon AGP card, start up the Mac and you should see whether the card works or not. If it doesn't work with OS 9, it may work with OS X. If you tried flashing with a full ROM file and it doesn't work, try flashing it again with a reduced ROM file enlarged to 128K. (Don't try to install a reduced ROM file, not enlarged to 128K, into your card using this method). If the card still doesn't work, it may means that the Mac flasher does not support the ROM chip on your card - use a PC. If the card works, it is safe to run the ATI October 2004 ROM update, which update the ROM to a newer version, if the ROM chip on your card is 128K, and update the ATI ROM Xtender to version 1.2. (Don't run the ATI Sept 2004 ROM update as it will try to flash a full Mac ROM file into the card even if the ROM chip on the card is 64K, and the flashing process will stops at 50%, and so you will have to flash it again).

Note: Unless you have enlarged a PC Radeon ROM file to 128K (by dumping it using a PC flasher or the Mac flasher, not by adding zeros by hand), don't ever try to flash a PC Radeon ROM file into a Radeon card on the Mac as it could result in a serious problem -- use a PC to do it. ATIccelerator I requires Java Runtime Environment 1.4. Java RE 1.4 is part of OS X 10.3. OS X 10.2.6 - 10.2.8 users need to install the Java 1.4.1 update.



Flashing on Mac OS X (using an AGP tower Mac and you have Mac PCI video card):

1. Go to the page of ATIccelerator I and download the latest version.

2. Find a full Mac ROM file (128K) for the card you want to flash. The full v121 for the Radeon 9200 is available in here. Many more full Mac ROM files are available in the ATI October 2004 ROM update. Also find a reduced ROM file for your card, enlarged to 128K.

3. Mount the ATIccelerator disk image, hold down the Option key and drag the "Flasher & dumper" folder out to the desktop to make a copy of it there.

4. Run ATIccelerator I, go to the Misc menu and choose to put a Mac ROM into the flasher. Select the full Mac Radeon ROM file and put it in the ATI Multi Flasher (with confirmation) copied to the folder on the desktop. Shutdown the Mac.

5. Open up your Mac. Install the PC Radeon AGP video card into the Mac, along with a working Mac PCI video card. Attach the monitor to the Mac PCI video card and turn on the Mac and wait for OS X to finish loading. If the Mac doesn't boot at all (no chime), shut it down, go to step 6. If you heard the chime but no disk activity and the OS does not load -- use the steps for the PC. If it is booting properly, go to step 7.

6. Take the Radeon AGP card out of the Mac, get some sticky tape, cut two small strips of sticky tape and tape connectors #3 and #11 (counting from the right on the BACK of the card with the AGP connectors pointing downward). Install the card in the Mac, turn the Mac on.

7. After the OS X finished loading, run the "Run Me First" program copied from the ATIccelerator I package. This program will load the ATIUTEXT.kext file.

8. Run the ATI Multi Dumper and it should produce a PC ROM file and a text output file for the PC video card you are trying to flash. Keep the PC ROM file in a safe place.

9. Run ATI Multi Flasher (with confirmation), which you already put the full Mac Radeon ROM file in with ATIccelerator, read the dialog box to make sure you are flashing the right card. If the flashing process reach 100%, your card has a 128K ROM chip and the flashing completed successfully, go to step 10. If the flashing process stops at 50%, your card has a 64K ROM chip. Run ATIccelerator and go to the Misc menu, de-select the check ROM size and then choose to install a Mac ROM file into the flasher. This time, select a reduced ROM file for your card, enlarged to 128K, instead of a full ROM file. Run the flasher again and this time the flashing process should reach 100%. (If you use a reduced ROM file, not enlarged to 128K, and if the flashing process stops at something like 82%, DON'T RESTART OR SHUTDOWN THE COMPUTER, try to flash a full ROM into the card immediately, which will stop at 50%. Find a reduced ROM file, enlarged to 128K, to flash the card). If you have the "ERROR Programming Devices" window popping up, this means that the Mac flasher does not support the ROM chip on your card - use a PC.

10. Shutdown the Mac. Take the Mac PCI video card out. Connect the monitor to the flashed Radeon AGP card, start up the Mac and you should see whether the card works. If it doesn't work with OS 9, it may work with OS X. It is safe to run the ATI October 2004 ROM update, which update the ROM to a newer version, if the ROM chip on your card is 128K, and update the ATI ROM Xtender to version 1.2. (Don't run the ATI Sept 2004 ROM update as it will try to flash a full Mac ROM file into the card even if the ROM chip on the card is 64K, and the flashing process will stops at 50%, and so you will have to flash it again).


Note: Unless you have enlarged a PC Radeon ROM file to 128K (by dumping it using a PC flasher or the Mac flasher, not by adding zeros by hand), don't ever try to flash a PC Radeon ROM file into a Radeon card on the Mac as it could result in a serious problem -- use a PC to do it. ATIccelerator I requires Java Runtime Environment 1.4. Java RE 1.4 is part of OS X 10.3. OS X 10.2.6 - 10.2.8 users need to install the Java 1.4.1 update.



Flashing on Mac OS X using VNC (you have a Cube or an AGP tower Mac but don't have Mac PCI video card, and you have another Mac or have a PC (desktop or laptop). You need some networking knowledge.):

1. Go to the page of ATIccelerator I and download the latest version.

2. Find a full Mac ROM file (128K) for the card you want to flash. The full v121 for the Radeon 9200 is available in here. Many more full Mac ROM files are available in the ATI October 2004 ROM update. Also find a reduced ROM file for your card, enlarged to 128K.

3. Download OSXvnc 1.4, which is a Virtual Network Computing (VNC) server. Find a VNC client for your OS (OS X and 9 versions are available on Versiontracker.com). A compatible client for Windows and other OSes are available here. Set auto-login, put OSXvnc in the "Login Items" (i.e. startup items). (Launch OSXvnc and test connecting to your Mac from another computer. Proceed if you have got it to work.)

4. Mount the ATIccelerator disk image, hold down the Option key and drag the "Flasher & dumper" folder out to the desktop to make a copy of it there.

5. Run ATIccelerator I, go to the Misc menu and choose to put a Mac ROM into the flasher. Select the full Mac Radeon ROM file and put it in the ATI Multi Flasher (with confirmation) copied to the folder on the desktop. Shutdown the Mac.

6. Open up your Mac. Install the PC Radeon AGP video card into the Mac. Attach the monitor to the AGP video card and turn on the Mac, you will not see anything but wait for the sounds to indicate that OS X has finished loading. If the Mac doesn't boot at all (no chime), shut it down, go to step 7. Once OS X completely loaded, press Return twice to start the VNC server. In some cases, the Mac does not boot with that particular Radeon AGP card installed -- you need to use a PC to flash the card.

7. Take the Radeon AGP card out of the Mac, get some sticky tape, cut two small strips of sticky tape and tape connectors #3 and #11 (counting from the right on the BACK of the card with the AGP connectors pointing downward). Install the card in the Mac, turn the Mac on. Once OS X completely loaded, press Return to launch OSXvnc.

8. Connect to your Mac from another Mac or a PC via VNC.

9. Run the "Run Me First" program copied from the ATIccelerator I package. This program will load the ATIUTEXT.kext file.

10. Run the ATI Multi Dumper and it should produce a PC ROM file and a text output file for the PC video card you are trying to flash. Keep the PC ROM file in a safe place.

11. Run ATI Multi Flasher (with confirmation), which you already put the full Mac Radeon ROM file in with ATIccelerator, read the dialog box to make sure you are flashing the right card. If the flashing process reach 100%, your card has a 128K ROM chip and the flashing completed successfully, go to step 12. If the flashing process stops at 50%, your card has a 64K ROM chip. Run ATIccelerator and go to the Misc menu, de-select the check ROM size and then choose to install a Mac ROM file into the flasher. This time, select a reduced ROM file for your card, enlarged to 128K, instead of a full ROM file. Run the flasher again and this time the flashing process should reach 100%. (If you use a reduced ROM file, not enlarged to 128K, and if the flashing process stops at something like 82%, DON'T RESTART OR SHUTDOWN THE COMPUTER, try to flash a full ROM into the card immediately, which will stop at 50%. Find a reduced ROM file, enlarged to 128K, to flash the card). If you have the "ERROR Programming Devices" window popping up, this means that the Mac flasher does not support the ROM chip on your card - use a PC.

12. Shutdown the Mac. Take the Mac PCI video card out. Connect the monitor to the flashed Radeon AGP card, start up the Mac and you should see whether the card works. If it doesn't work with OS 9, it may work with OS X. It is safe to run the ATI October 2004 ROM update, which update the ROM to a newer version, if the ROM chip on your card is 128K, and update the ATI ROM Xtender to version 1.2. (Don't run the ATI Sept 2004 ROM update as it will try to flash a full Mac ROM file into the card even if the ROM chip on the card is 64K, and the flashing process will stops at 50%, and so you will have to flash it again).


Note: Unless you have enlarged a PC Radeon ROM file to 128K (by dumping it using a PC flasher or the Mac flasher, not by adding zeros by hand), don't ever try to flash a PC Radeon ROM file into a Radeon card on the Mac as it could result in a serious problem -- use a PC to do it. ATIccelerator I requires Java Runtime Environment 1.4. Java RE 1.4 is part of OS X 10.3. OS X 10.2.6 - 10.2.8 users need to install the Java 1.4.1 update.



Flashing on a PC (using a PC with an AGP slot and you cannot flash the card on the Mac. Assume you use Windows 2000 or XP and cannot boot into DOS and assume you have a PC PCI video card and no onboard video):

1. Use a PC to download a Windows ME boot disk (link 1, link 2, link 3). Double-click it to create a boot floppy. Go to http://www.techpowerup.com/bios/ and download a late version of Flashrom and Atiflash. Create a folder at the root directory of the hard drive (the name of the folder should have 8 characters or less) and extract all the files from Flashrom and Atiflash into that folder. Find a full or reduced Mac ROM file for your card. The reduced ROM file can be not enlarged or enlarged to 128K. The full v121 for the Radeon 9200 is available in here. Many more full Mac ROM files are available in the ATI October 2004 ROM update. Give the ROM file a name you want but the name needs to have 8 characters or less and put it in that folder too.

2. Shutdown the PC, take out the AGP card (and don't install the Radeon AGP card to be flash yet), install the PC PCI video card and connect the monitor to it. Turn on the PC, hold down the "Del" key as the PC starts booting. In the BIOS, look for the option to select booting the computer from a PCI video card first (on my PC it is on the left side under "Integrated Peripherals". Select that option and save. Shutdown the PC as it start re-booting. If you taped the AGP connectors of the PC Radeon card to be flash when you tried to flash it on the Mac, remove the tapes and install it in the AGP slot. It is important that whenever you put the card into the PC, the AGP connectors should not be tape at all or the card may get damage.

3. Put the Windows ME startup disk in the drive and turn the PC on.

4. Select booting using option 2 from the list. When the PC completed booting with the Windows ME boot floppy. Navigate to the folder you created and where you put the Flashrom, Atiflash files and the reduced Mac ROM file in. Essential commands in DOS are "c:" to go to the C drive, "dir" to list the files and folders, "cd myfolder" to go to a folder called "myfolder" and "cd \" to go to the root directory (all without the double quotes).

5. Run "flashrom -i" and notice the location of your PC Radeon AGP card (probably either 0 or 1). Save the PC ROM on the card to a file with a command like "flashrom -s 0 radeonpc.rom" (replace the 0 with the location of your card and change the file name to whatever you want). Flash a full Mac ROM file into the card by typing something like "flashrom -p 0 radmac.rom -f 128" (replace the 0 with the location of your card and replace the file name with the name of your Mac ROM file. If flashing using the "-p" command with Flashrom doesn't work, try the "-pm" with Flashrom and try those two commands with Atiflash. If the flashing process completes successfully, your card has a 128K ROM chip, go to step 6. If it ends with an error message saying that only 64K (in number of bytes) can be written, your card has a 64K ROM chip, flash a reduced ROM file into your card, removing "128" from the command string above.

6. Install the flashed Radeon AGP card into your Mac. Turn on the Mac. If you don't hear the Mac booting at all (no chime or no disk activity), shut it down, go to step 7. If the Mac boots properly, go to step 8.

7. Take the Radeon AGP card out of the Mac, get some sticky tape, cut two small strips of sticky tape and tape connectors #3 and #11 (counting from the right on the BACK of the card with the AGP connectors pointing downward). Install the card in the Mac, turn the Mac on.

8. If the card doesn't work with OS 9, it may work with OS X. It is safe to run the ATI October 2004 ROM update which update the ROM to a newer version, if the ROM chip on your card is 128K, and update the ATI ROM Xtender to version 1.2. (Don't run the ATI Sept 2004 ROM update as it will try to flash a full Mac ROM file into the card even if the ROM chip on the card is 64K, and the flashing process will stops at 50%, and so you will have to flash it again).

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Comment about the blind flash procedure: why not just use the "without confirmation" multi-flasher, you'll save the command-period part wink.gif

Also, it must be feasible to flash blindly on OS X, using an Applescript or macro (Quickeys, etc.) which will first launch Run Me First, then the flasher. Someone could write that (don't look my way smile.gif ).

Same comments apply to the two other flashing instructions you wrote, of course.

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Another option for those without a convenient Desktop Mac+PCI video card is to flash the card in the cube semi-blind. This option worked great for me using the Cube to flash a PC card by using another mac laptop to drive the process.

Before starting, you should preload OSXvnc on the Cube and turn on remote login, and set up auto-login. After booting the Cube, log in remotely to the cube using ssh, then start up the server from the command line -- but directly use the server instead of the GUI, which will then start up the window server without a password. For me, the following works (depends on where you installed OSXvnc):

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/Applications/Comm/OSXvnc.app/Contents/MacOS/OSXvnc-server


Now you can access the Cube via a VNC client to use ATIcellerator as if you had a spare video card in your cube. Best of all, if things go well, the card is already installed!

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My apologies, hopefully it didn't create problems (there was only one post except the main one).

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QUOTE(wrhee @ Dec 9 2004, 07:25 PM)
Another option for those without a convenient Desktop Mac+PCI video card is to flash the card in the cube semi-blind. This option worked great for me using the Cube to flash a PC card by using  another mac laptop to drive the process.

Before starting, you should preload OSXvnc on the Cube and turn on remote login, and set up auto-login.  After booting the Cube, log in remotely to the cube using ssh, then start up the server from the command line -- but directly use the server instead of the GUI, which will then start up the window server without a password. For me, the following works (depends on where you installed OSXvnc):

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/Applications/Comm/OSXvnc.app/Contents/MacOS/OSXvnc-server


Now you can access the Cube via a VNC client to use ATIcellerator as if you had a spare video card in your cube. Best of all, if things go well, the card is already installed!

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This procedure is also called "Remote Desktop" by someone I think. But this procedure is recommended only if you are sure the ROM chip on your card is 128K. It is is 64K and you want to flash a reduced ROM file into it, I would really recommend using a PC. (But I will try turning reduced ROM files into 128K, see whether it removes the problems that resulted from flashing a reduced ROM file into a card on the Mac. If it does, people can avoid using a PC altogether.)

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I have experiment with enlarging the reduced ROM files to 128K and they work fine. Whereas flashing a full ROM file into a card with a 64K ROM chip the flashing process would stop at 50% and flashing a reduced ROM file into a card on the Mac could result in a serious problem, flashing a reduced ROM file, enlarged to 128K, into a card with a 64K ROM chip would finish completely at 100%, that's right, 100%. Important: a reduced ROM file enlarged to 128K must be dump by the flashers on the PC or the Mac dumper, it should not be done by adding zeros to a file using a Hex editor.

Because the text output files dump by the ATI Multi Dumper show such unreliable information about ROM chip on a card and its size, and because of the above finding, I have modified the flashing instructions on OS 9 and X.

I have also added the instructions for flashing on OS X via Virtual Network Computing (VNC).


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Just in case other people are also wondering... does anyone have a link to rom files for the Radeon 9200? I unfortunately have a 64k PC Radeon 9200 made by Saphire, and the "full v121" rom file provided in the top post will reach 50% and stop. I obviously need "a reduced ROM file for your card, enlarged to 128K", but searching for such a ROM on the net turned up nothing!

Also, the official ATI ROM Update mentioned in this post does not seem to contain ROMs in a usable form - they are most propably "stuffed" inside the updater binary app and thus can not be used. So, any links for reduced roms enlarged to 128k will be greatly appreciated cool.gif

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It is as simple as sending a private message.

BTW, the Sapphire card is probably not going to work. For the 9200 128MB AGP, only the Connect3D card works well so far.


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I have a radeon 9200SE, but the rom files for 9200 in the link don't exist. Which is the problem with this link? Thanks for your help.

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Hi, i have a powercolor radeon 9200SE 128MB DDR, but in techpowerup.com, i don´t find the archive relative to my card, i can use a 9200 SE 128 MB of other manufacturer, for example cube3d.

This card works fine with AGP 2x?

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Bushi

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QUOTE(BUSHI @ Jan 13 2005, 09:06 PM)
Hi, i have a powercolor radeon 9200SE 128MB DDR, but in techpowerup.com, i don´t find the archive relative to my card, i can use a 9200 SE 128 MB of other manufacturer, for example cube3d.
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Check the notches on AGP connector. There has to be two, meaning it's AGP Universal (2x/4x/8x). Many packages only say 4x/8x compatible, and it still works on 2x, as 9200/9250 supports all three AGP-standards.
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